by 'Ro-fhessa' V Sean W Bambrough.
Around 1999 I made my own analytical/deductive study to determine if Atlantis/Poseidonis existed and/or rather where. I considered everywhere around the world including all the theories I knew of or had (and since) encountered my self (tho there are far more than ones I know details about):
Crete, Thera/Santorini, Troy (Zangger), Tartessos, Bimini (Cayce), Heligoland (Spanuth), fiction/meta-physical (de Champ, Alford), planet X (Alford), nw Africa, Cyprus (Sarmast, [Urantia]), Ubar (Deyo), Albania (net), Athens, mid-Atlantic ([Scott-Eliot], Bellamy, Donnelly), pre-flood (Fasold), [Tiahuanaco (Fasold)], America, Atalante (de Camp), Tantalis, Indonesia (Santos, [Jantsang]), Australia, Antarctica (Flem-Ath, Hancock), Maldives/Laccadives (Hancock), [Pangaea ([Fasold?])], in sth Amer country (Prime tv).
Atlantis was in Ocean not Sea:
- Plato says Atlantis was in real/true outer/open ocean not in inner sea.
- was in atlantic, (herodotus called).
- Was opposite/beyond/outside Pillars of Hercules.
- (The S (& W) hemisphere has majority/emphasises unity of the oceans.)
- The biblical Great Sea and Egyptian Great Green may have been Atlantic incld Mediterranean ("Great Green poss suggests existence of another different coloured, smaller sea.")
- Plato treated as sep land-mass from Eur/As/Afr.
- Can't be too close (&/or far) in place (&/or time) to Athens/Sais.
Atlantis was a Continent not only an Island/City:
- Plato said Atlantis was an ISland the size of/larger than Asia & Libya combined ("roughly same size as USA/Antarctica/[Australia/face of Moon/Pluto]", Flem-Ath.)
- Not a needle in haystack as Hancock put it.
- Theopompus said Meropis was larger than Europe, Asia and Libya.
- Herodotus said Europe was as long as Asia & Libya put together & its breadth (euros) is not even comparable with them (though in another place he also says Asia & Europe are the same size/shape).
- Atlantis totally disappeared without any trace (except "mud").
- All of the details of the Atlantis account seem in general agree with Atlantis being a continent not an "island/city (+ empire)".
- Ancient writer mentions tradition of 7 islands and a (very) larger one that ruled over them in the Atlantic.
- Island in Bible, ancient Egypt, etc can mean either island, coastland/sealands, continent, peninsula, (pangaea, planet).
- Plato treated as separate land mass from Old World.
- population of Atlantis large (as est from military data etc).
- many animal species of Atl Account.
Atlantis/Poseidonis was in Atlantic/(Arctic) not in Indian, Pacific, (Arctic,) Antarctic, Oceanus:
- (was in Atlantic,) Herodotus called Atlantic before Plato (though after Solon).
- [4 divs/parts of oceanus?]
- Evidence is that there are no sunken/submerged continental island masses in Atlantic (Hancock), Indian (Jantsang)*, Arctic (submarines), Antarctic (geophysics) and/or Pacific (orthodox scientists)* oceans.
- Atlantis can't have been too far/close (incl "up/down" re Antarctica) from Greece/Egypt (Incendium).
- Lemuria unlike Atlantis/Mu was only a theory for oddities now better explained by Gondwanaland.
- S (&W) hemisphere has majority/emphasises unity of oceans re Atlantic/Poseidon/Oceanus.
Atlantis must be one of modern Continents not Oceans:
- Present oceanographic/geophysical evidence is that there are no sunken/submerged continents/land masses in the Atlantic, Indian*, Arctic (subs), Antarctic (geophys), and/or Pacific* oceans except for the true continental edges, shelves, islands and seas, and except for continental shift. (orthodox theory/"dogma" rejects/disclaims (wholly) rising/sinking continents, except for (limited) submergence/exposure by rising/droping sea-levels theory/evidence.)
- (Seemingly no evidence that the continents ever wholly/permanently below sea level? except for )
- Maps that use true continental edges don't show significantly large enough gaps in the Atlantic between Eur/Afr and Amers when orig joint together to fit Atlantis into (excepting lakes, ridges, islands, sub-continents/plates)?
- All evidence of lost continents of Atl/Lemuria is more readily explained by continental drift theory.
- According to Ockam's razor there is no need to assume the existence of any more continents than the 7 we presently know of?
- (All the oceans are from (indirectly) one original Pan-Ocean; all the oceans are part of one Oceanus.)
- Old World traditions of Atlantis/etc in west and New World traditions of [Mu]/etc in east could be respectively/relatively refering to each other, or commonly to [shifted] land in between (Armorica plate).
Atlantis was in Atlantic but was not the Atlantic;
Atlantis was a continent/large island but not a sunken/submerged one.
Atlantis was in the west (and north) not east (and south):
- Atlanteans conquered upto Tyrrhenia & Libya from (N)W.
- Atlantis is always said to be in western sea. (Cp Hesperides.)
- Spanuth gives evidence that Atlantis was in the north (Hyperborea, Sea Peoples).
- Despite the ancient records of reversal of compass points a couple of times in history, the Egyptians/Arabs were seemingly the only odd ones out in (sometimes) placing south as up/reverse west-east (Deyo/Flem-Ath/Massey, Jantsang)?
- Atlantis can't have been too far/close incl "up/down" from/to Greece/Egypt (Incendium).
- Hyperborea/Tartarus/Thule in NW or NE.
- The Aryan Barbarians always came from the north (Greek, Indian, Iranian, Egyptian, Sumerian, Polynesian, Aztec, biblical.)
- W hemisphere majority of oceans (vs E hem.)
- N hem majority of continents (size).
Atlantis was America(s) or Armorica (Plate) not Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica, "8th Continent/Atlantis", pangaea:
- Antarctica is 2 islands not continent (depend on sea level).
- Plato treated Atlantis as a separate land-mass from Eur & As/As & Lib/Lib & Eur.
- size.
- Atlantis can't have been too far/close distance/duration incl "up/down" from Greece/Egypt (Incendium).
- Atlantis was in western sea/opposite Pillars of Hercules.
- Atlanteans conquered upto Tyrrhennia & Libya from (N)W.
- Atlantis can not be dry land based theories.
- No mention in account of crossing equator.
- No archaelogical finds of humans/civilisation in Antarctica yet?.
- No hints on Piri Reis map of civ/humans/Atlantis in Antarctica?
- "Atlantis has been identified/connected with every continent except Australia" except for by one writer.
- Some of "Atlantis" locations not (too) far (enough) from Old World to be lost/not to be found.
- N (&E) hemisphere has majority/emphasises unity of continents (re Atlantis).
- Atantis climate conducive to 2 crops a year (not Antarctic).
- North Pole was once in Canada/Greenland (re Hyperborea/Sea Peoples/Keftiou).
- Americas had all animals implied in Atlantis account incl elephants/mastodons, camels, horses, sabre tooth tigers, sloths.
- Alleghenies/Appalachians could have been Atlas/Nthern Pillar.
(- Scientists theorise Amerinds came via Berring but almost exclusively all Indians own oral memories say they came from east over sea.
- First Americans were like Cro-Magnons in Europe (Otamid, Folsom, Big Game Hunters, MacKenzie High Arctic high culture, Archaic Caucasoids, Kennewick man); and Cro-Magnons were (flat faced?) like Amerinds.
- My theory explains Archaic Maritime culture in ancient America, (ref Barry Fell).
- (Egyptian pictures of some Sea Peoples look American to me? (Cp Geronimo?))
- Assyrian pictures of Tjekker sea peoples bearing South American fan palm, ref Fitzgerald-Lee.)
elephants:
now only indian/asian & african, but americas had them (& mastodons) in "prehistory".
mammoths (eg siberia). Spanuth found tusk/s at Heligoland. Hannibal. elephant from aleph "ox" accord to some scholars. Ivory tusks from/via Keftiou.
whole world/global not old world/known world/inhabited world/inner sea/Asia-Africa/local/flat :
- Herodotus said his contemporaries were wrong that the world consisted of (only) Europe, Asia and Libya.
- Popul Vuh says first race of men "examined 4 pts of horizon & round surface/circles of the earth & the 4 pts of the firmament/heaven."
- Maps such as Piri Reis (Hapgood), Kirchir, Ptolemy (Sitchin).
- Finds of ancient ships &/or drawings of (cp Heyerdahl).
- Satan wandered to & fro, up & down in [all] the earth (Job).
- Pyramidology geographical facts about Great Pyramid.
- knew was sphere (circle/disk/ring/hemisphere/dome/quadrants/arc/egg).
- Plato said Atlantis was larger than Libya & Asia combined, and treated it (& opposite continent) as separate landmass from Libya & Asia/Asia & Europe/Europe & Libya.
- Herodotus' statement that oceans/seas all parts of one Ocean, and Plato's distinguishing between real/true outer ocean and inner seas/indentations ("theory") parallels modern geopolitical worldview.
- plato said that known world contracted.
- Proofs of links between ancient/prehistoric Americas and Old World (above, refs Heyerdahl, Honore, N Davies, B Fell, Scott-Elliot).
- ancients' world projected & (sub-)divided into # of continents/latitudes/hemispheres/worlds/quadrants/[hours] like we do.
It is claimed the Pillars of Hercules/Melkart at Gibraltar were late(r), and there were earlier Pillars at Troy &/or ....
In fact there were 12 Pillars of Herakles acc to 1/some source/s at least.
The Atl acct seems to indicate that the Gibraltar ones are meant.
Atlantis sinking/submergence can not have been (just) Great Flood (confounded), submerged by rising sea levels at end ice age, tidal wave/slosh, earth crust displacement, volcanic eruption or literally sunk, but rather Atlantis (genuinely appeared to have sunk when it really continentally) shifted away:
- Only Atlantis (and Athens) lost not whole world [re flood/rising sea levels/crust displacement].
- Must have both quake(s) and flood(s) [re flood*/ris sea levs].
- Would not have made distance/duration that much longer for ancients not to be able to find Atlantis any longer [re ris sea levs].
- Atlantis totally disappeared (locally/regionally) without any trace (except "mud") [re ris sea levs/tid wav/volc erupt/lit sunk/displac].
- The land would still be not absolutely lost but still possible to find down below underwater [re ris sea levs/lit sunk].
- Account says sunk not (just?) sea level rise (~flood(s)?)
- Atlantis was already separate island mass but in bible continents didn't split til Peleg/Babel/Flood [re flood].
- No rain/fountains great deep in Atlantis account.
- Evidence is that there are no sunken/submerged continental island masses in Atlantic (Hancock), Indian (Jantsang), Arctic (sumarines), Antarctic (geophysics), Pacific (orthodox scientists).
- Erroneous dates Atlantis and end last Ice Age only coincidence/theory (see below).
- No large enough gaps between Americas and Old World when they were joint together to fit Atlantis into?
- Evidence for old sunken/submerged continents of Atl/Lemuria theories more readily explained by continental shift.
- Cp sink >11km, or 1km submerged true cont shelf, to shift ca 2000km.
- If sea levels were lower Gibraltar straits would be land.
- Mid-Atlantic is emerging up/out not down/in.
9000/8000 yrs date:
is def not (wholly) literal incld because Atlantis can't have been too far (or near) in time (or place) from (or to) Athens, Sais, etc. greek culture of account said to match mycenaean.
a number of possible deciperments incld: yr=month, yr=4yrs, 9000/8000 = 900/800, 9/8 thousand yrs (milleniums) = 9/8 ages, div by schomos, precessional, etc.
Evidences of sudden continental shift(s)/sprint(s) not (just) drifting:
- http://headnheart.blogspot.com/2007/04/continental-shifts.html
Scenarios:
- shift was either: (1/a) both amers and old wor shifted (outward/away from ridge), or (2/b) only amer shifted west from ridge/old wor, or (3/c) only old wor shifted east (atlantis shift relative). Most likely 1/a because other wise w or e sea floor would be younger/older, and 'cause ridge equally develop on both sides?
- it would seem more likely that south amer was closer rather than north amer (cent amer/panama, etc), but I tend to think it was more likely that it was north that was closer not south (opposite agadir/gades, same latitude as gades/sais, kirchirs map, south to far down (even if nth pole in n amer), 2 parallel rockies/coast/cascades, distance would not be quite so far, etc.)
- atlantis was any/all of (nth, cent &/or sth ) america/s &/or armorica plate (american &/or european). More likely atlantis/shift was both americas because otherwise nth/sth atlantic would be older/younger.
(- I envision/idea that the atlantic was previously about/roughly half the present width/distance/duration.)
- The ridge, banks, bars, sargasso, bermuda triangle, &/or hotspot may be ghostly visible remnant of where the continental edge previously was (cf muddy sea), (&/or [wound] of shift?)
- the royal island city could therefore possibly even be divided like jigsaw betw or in any of amer (eg bimini), mid Atl ridge (eg azores) &/or armorica (eg heligoland).
Please note I am not saying that "Atlantis was Pangaea/World", but rather Atlantis shifted and was (any/all of n, s &/or c) America(s) &/or Armorica plate.
Atlantis/(daughter of) Atlas can't be identified with similar place names like Ad, Aztlan (Aztec), Atl, Atli, etc:
- As pointed out in the account, Atlantis is only the Greek translation of an Egyptian name which was translation of Atlantean name.
- A-tl (A-tonatiuh) "water" is Akkadian E-a.
Atlantis was (at least half) real not (just) myth/theory/lie/unscientific/metaphys:
- Plato said was Atlantis was true history, Plato was the one who elsewhere 1st used mythology in sense of fictional and legend as true.
- Every year there are more discoveries that the Atlantis account, Bible, oral memories, ancient historians/poets, myths are as historically/scientifically correct (as humanly possible) as modern sources.
the whole/surrounding/opposite continent of Atl acct = (Sth Amer-)Antarctica(-Australia), not Flem-Ath's nrthern-maj/uni-of-conts;
Antarctica was not Atlantis but (could've been part of) 'opp cont':
- The account says opp cont surrnded the world ocean both atlantis and old world.
- on the equidistant concentric projection of world map with N Pole as center has Antartica distributed around circumference.
- antarctica along whole of bottom our normal mercator projection.
- ptolemy's map has "africa" joint to [antarctica/australia] at bottom enclosing Indian ocean,
- oronteus finneus map has larger size antarctica.
- there were 3 (not Flem-Ath's 2) separate steps/land-masses mentioned in the Atl account:
opp cont (3) - ocean - atlantis (2) - outer ocean - inner sea/"eur & as/as & lib/lib & eur" (1).
- opposite continent/under-world to old world centre projection/view would be either west or south hemisphere [sw quadrant] (but only in global view :- if it was only nth/east hemisphere (or ne quadrant) worldview then underworld//opposite would be either nw, se, (arctic, antarctic, equator, greenwich or IDL).)
- "PARTS of opp cont." poss indicate partly ice-free like Antarctica was .
- (antarctica and australia shown as one continent in continental drift maps?)
- equidistant projection maps with Giza as centre have americas, antractica, austral around old world.
- ancient/mediaeval/early modern world maps often confuse sth amer/antarctica/australia (like old world and new world somewhat similarily superimposed in Enterline's book).
- north pole previously Hudson bay or thereabouts*, and sth pole prev in sea, = opposite to present (nth sea, sth land)/Flem-Ath. [* High arctic high culture/civilisation of macKenzie river (Rene Nordbergen/Stephen Bernad Cox).]
- names Opp cont, Under-world (absu), other-world, nether-world, Ant-arctica, Anti-podes, A-meru/Su-meru, A-tala/Su-tala, sub-terrannean, anti-chthoni, lower-world, (hyper-notian), ant-illes/ant-illa, (new world).
Oreichalc was brass, not amber, "not bronze":
- orichalc was a "metal" that was "mined" &/or "smelted". (amber was "fished"/"tears").
- orichalc was a combination of "pseudarguros" and chalcos (copper). "there is a stone which when burned becomes iron & then when heated in a furnace with a certain earth distils pseudarguros". pseudarguros (mock silver) matches zinc, a certain earth matches smithonite (zinc ore).
- amber was called "electron".
- compare Celt metal findrine "between bronze & silver". cp Persian ages of "steel", & an "iron compound" after gold & silver ages. cp biblical "clay & iron". compare ormolu "gold-like alloy of copper, zinc & tin"? (Cf Chinese Chang San-feng "alchemist residing in the mtns" [orei-chalc "mtn + copper"].)
- atlantis was possibly "brass/bronze/copper" age?
Acknowledgements:
- J Spanuth (Atlantis of the Nth), G Hancock (Sign & Seal), HS Bellamy ([Atlantis Myth]), S de C(h)amp/R Ley, (Tantalis book), I Donnelly (Atlantis Antediluvian World), E Sykes, E Zangger (Flood from Heaven), C Berlitz, Mavor, D Fasold (Discov of Noa's Ark), Chadderton (Time Detectives), C Cook (Pears Cyclop), Scott-Elliot, Flem-Ath/Nexus, A Alford;
- S Deyo, Prof A Santos, E Cayce, KR Bolton (Germanic Atlantis), AA Incendium (Tears of the Lady), J Kircher, atlantisrising, Star Gate, Plato (Timaeus; Critias).
